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Mouse_Master
09-21-2000, 10:12 PM
Hello,

This is meant for NeoGeoFreak especially, but is going to be presented in an open forum to get settled!

I am giving NeoGeoFreak 2 weeks to deliver my 2 carts which I paid them for. The two carts are a World Heroes 2 Home Cart (AES cart as refered to by NGF, US version, complete and in mint condition) and a Baseball Stars Pro Home Cart with a NGF insert (AES cart as refered to by NGF, US
version, complete and in mint condition). The original deal was made for these carts to be shipped to me. Any 'modifications' after the fact are NOT acceptable. I will not personally fly anywhere to pick up any games, and will expect a refund, with interest at standard rates as published in
the Wall Street Journal, if product is not shipped or is out of stock.

NGF received payment for these 2 carts around 06/10/2000 and promptly cashed the payment. It is now 09/21/2000, and delivery has not been made yet.

Since NGF has not delivered these games, this is notice that they have *2 weeks* to get these 2 cartridges delivered to my doorstep. If they do not complete this transaction in the 2 week timespan, I will be contacting various organizations to get a resolution to this issue. Here is an
incomplete listing of who will be contacted:

US Postal Service (for mail fraud)
The Better Business Bureau in both states involved in the transaction
The Attorney General in both states involved in the transaction
The local Police Departments in both states involved in the transaction
The ISP that hosts the neogeofreak.com domain
The ISP that hosts the email address from the person on the other end of the deal
The FBI's IFCC

All correspondence on this issue will be made public and will be posted in the Forums at neo-geo.com along with various other Neo Geo related lists. And this message will be sent to all email addresses listed at the 'www.neogeofreak.com' site.

I will also post to this topic to move it up in the listings if needed.

Keith

chimpmeister
09-21-2000, 10:47 PM
Well, its f*cking pathetic that they never sent you the carts, and its been over three months. There is simply NO excuse for that kind of behavior, and Dion and Chris need to own up to their completely dishonest and untrustworthy actions.

I for one say that if Dion and Chris (the sole two "NGF employees", such as it is)
don't ship you the carts (after the alloted two weeks), EVERY ONE on this message board should hound them incessantly, until they do. I know that I'd be MORE than happy to do that . . . given the circumstances!

http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/mad.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/mad.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/mad.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/mad.gif

Big Bruno
09-21-2000, 11:21 PM
your right it should not take that long but....Dion and Chris are in japan for 2 weeks now right? so it would be hard for you to receive them withing that time frame. I'm not defending them in anyway since I have never purchased anything from them but either you report them Now or what until they get back right?

asam79
09-21-2000, 11:34 PM
I basicly got all my orders from NGF.
I am a bit pushing Dion to ship all before he goes to Japan. Asking please, please and please...
I do not why you haven't got the cart...
I never dealt with Chris but I dealt with Dion lots of time. So far, the deal went fine.
I am sure they will ship it.
If they don't, please post it here.

Mouse_Master
09-21-2000, 11:49 PM
Well, unfortunately for them, I did not know that, and, personally, I do not care. I do not follow their schedule, and if they are gone, I guess that is just their own problem, is it not? It has been *OVER* 3 months, I am fed up!

(Turn on sarcastic mode) I guess I could have consulted with Billkwando as to NGF's schedule! (Sarcastic mode off)

Really, I do not care. Remember, NGF is more than just two people. They have until Oct 6.

After that, all bets are off.

I really do love having the signed payment from them in my possesion!

Keith

Shawn
09-21-2000, 11:57 PM
Posting your complaint on the forums is a wise choice. The mob, or neo community, will demand justice. This same technique brought Chris Mullins back in the scene, if only temporarily. Even though he chose not to follow through, we succeeded in permanently marking him as fraudulent, leaving him no choice but to disappear for good.

Now NGF is forced to acknowledge your complaint and make it right. I would still be short a Metal Slug 3 if this community was not so tightly united. I still havenít received unreleased cart Mahjong Janshin Dentsetsu from NGF, but I feel safer knowing Iím not alone.

Gambit
09-22-2000, 01:51 AM
Man I kinda hope you don't get your stuff, no offense but I would love to see their asses go to court or be shut down would be even better. Dion is such a cocky little prick.
And you got no problem with support man, both of you have all of our support and I feel that I speak for all of the regulars here. So if you get the carts, good if you don't even better http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

JMKurtz
09-22-2000, 08:40 AM
What's up with that? It's not like those two games take that long to track down.

Jeff

Robi15
09-22-2000, 10:28 AM
Again, bad service. Not professional at all.

Robi15

Neo Bomber Man
09-22-2000, 03:08 PM
Especially when you consider that **** decided Mouse_Master would have to pick them up himself in Las Vegas, due to something someone else said on a message board, which he obviously didn't particularly approve of.

Pathetic really, but as long as people keep sending him money....

asam79
09-22-2000, 08:49 PM
I sold my mint US World Heroes 2 + Near Mint Jpn Metal Slug 3 to Dion for $400.
I am sure that MS 3 is the one that goes to Shawn.
He (Dion) asked me favor and I help him. I ship to him without asking payment.
If US WW 2 that I sold is the one he promised, you should have gotten the cart.

The problem I had is that Dion told me, he did not have money to pay to me (actually long story but I simplify my story). After all transaction and dealing. He ended up owe me $360. He mention he will pay me for another 4 weeks.
So, I was forced to use that money he owed me, on this "Cart for sale" list. It's a bit rip off for me but I got no choice. I am losing patience to wait longer for Dion. I argue a little bit but finally everything went fine. But, I had to buy the carts and other stuff from Dion in which I do not want.
I am the one who kept asking to ship it fast.
Call him, talk to him, and keep e-mailing him. Ask my stuff to be shipped before he went to Japan. I want the deal to be complete with Dion.
I am still neutral to him since at least he keeps his words and he helps me sometimes.

But, I know how it feels to wait; mouse.
Just wait for the dead line see what NGF will response...

If he does not ship to you, then some of my bad impression about Dion are true.
And I will post it here.
If he does ship it to you, then I will still regard him as reliable.

His honesty and reliability is being tested now.

and I am looking forward to see the progress...

Andy

Big Bruno
09-22-2000, 10:55 PM
Andy,

Well far be it for me to say but doesn't that kinda suck. I mean you would think $400 would not be a big deal for Dion. From what you are saying it sound more like a trick to get more profit. I mean if you trade for something on a over priced page which I would hope with the 10 years dion has spent for the neo, he would know where to get the best deals. then quickly the $360 he was going to send you turns into a few hundred dollars worth of homecarts. I would be pissed. Why didn't you ask for the money upfront? Is not that customary anyway. Do you have a copy of this cart avaiable list? I'm not trying to rub salt in a open wound but you got my curosity up when you mentioned that last post.

chimpmeister
09-22-2000, 11:30 PM
Here is a simple truth, that everyone here should know well by now:

NEVER ship ANYTHING to DION or CHRIS RAY without FIRST having FULL PAYMENT FROM THEM for the item(s) shipped. NEVER send ANY money to DION or CHRIS RAY before they have shipped whatever items you want TO YOU.

There is NO OTHER WAY to make sure that these f*cking losers won't RIP YOU OFF.

Anyone who fails to go by the above two rules, is taking a BIG RISK of being RIPPED OFF. Plain and simple. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/mad.gif

asam79
09-23-2000, 12:33 AM
Your points are right. I am being a stupid businessman.
I am really pissed at that time but I do not want to risk all my $360.
So, I hold on to my anger and disappointment.
I am still giving them second chance...
They should realize by now.
It's a long story actually but I try not add spice to this war on NGF.
I am still hoping they will fix their reputation...

asam79
09-23-2000, 12:37 AM
Oh...
at least he gave me a bit discount.
For example, $200 jpn sengoku 2 become $180.
But, the thing that he mention the cart is mint is NOT.
so, I am still a bit disappointed.
But, no big deal for me.

And Burning fight for $80, he sell to me for $50 (well, I think it is just a fair price considering it is just a good condition).

lump505
09-23-2000, 12:54 AM
No offense asam but you arent very smart when it comes to the Neo Geo. Burning Fight for $50 is not a great deal. As for Sengoku 2 even with his "discount" you still got ripped of by around $30-$40. I can't understand why you would do Dion the asshole a favor. When he told you he dosent have $400 to send you he is talking shit. Of course he has the money, he rips people off left and right and make tons of dough from people who dont know better.

You NEVER want to have credit with Dion and NGF!!! They will make you send them more and more money until your order is $1000 and then you will get your stuff in crappy condition 3 months later.

I am still dumbfounded as to why people still buy from those sleazy no good fucks at NGF. Use common sense people. If people consistantly get ripped off by someone or some company would you buy from them? I hope most of you would say NO!

Gambit
09-23-2000, 01:24 AM
I can't believe you people still deal with NGF. I mean look at the guy they have for customer service--Dion. If Dion worked for my company I would have that guy nowhere near my customers, he pisses people off to easy. Anyway, asam I'm sorry but when God said he was giving out brains you thought he said a good ol ass screw from none other than NGF and you missed out. Just because you don't get screwed doesn't mean others aren't and I don't know how you could contribute to a guy or guys that cheat people. Notice how few people actually admit to buying from these clowns, its because its embarassing for reputable people to buy from them. I know better and stay clear of them because I don't feel like paying for pirated crap. Asam don't take that the wrong way but you should be smarter then that.

Master Terry Bogard
09-23-2000, 02:15 AM
I wonder how many forum members have dealt w/ them? Well, I did. Recently too. Gambit, I respectfully disagree w/ your comment. I am not ashamed, and I have about 110 positives on ebay w/ no negative nor neutral feedback (for the moment, anyways http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif). I don't exactly like Dion, but I don't hate him either. I am neutral. I bid and won on Chris Ray's auction on ebay. My transaction was fairly smooth, (I must admit, his e-mails were very prompt and friendly) except that he forgot to e-mail me w/ the delivery confirmation #. I e-mailed about that, but instead of getting an response, I got the item (priority w/ delivery confirmation on it) and feedback on that same day, so I didn't have much qualms about it. If you are dealing on ebay, you get used to the little stuff like that-not all deals are perfect. I knew that he was busy w/ trip to Japan, and maybe that's why he forgot, like he was w/ Shawn. But, the thought that maybe the delivery confirmation was only for his use-that the item arrived safely-came to my mind as well. The item took about 6 days from the day my payment arrived (I sent the payment w/ delivery confirmation, so I would know when it would arrive.) to the day the item arrived. So, in all, it was a good transaction. I found C. Ray fairly decent. Believe me, I considered all the negatives I heard and saw, when I bid on his item. And from his feedback, he seemed decent enough for me to risk a bid. I like to believe that most people are decent.

So, the point is: is it your fault as well, when you buy an item from a questionable buyer and the deal fails to come thru? Or is it entirely the sellers? Let the buyers be aware?

Personally? I think the buyer should bear at least some responsibility for getting into it, if the deal is broken. Afterall, that person knew what he/she was getting into. No body force them. They knew the risk (I am one of them). Sometimes, the offer was tempting enough to risk that. But, I believe that as always, it is the sellers resonsibility to make sure that the deal comes thru, as well as make evey opportunity to make the buyer at ease.

asam79
09-23-2000, 02:26 AM
I know...
I am being stupid on that decision.
Like I said it's a long story.
There are things that you don't know that I do not mention.
I am just trying to hold on my impatience and try to be kind enough.
But, people tends to take advantage of it.
I've learned my lesson.
I just chip in in this forum and try to give some info about Dion.
Of course, I know even $50 for good condition NGF burning fight is not really a fair price. I know Neo price very well (from ebay or Shawn or Neo super sellers).

But, if you were in my situation, I am sure you rather get some "expensive" carts instead of waiting for 4 weeks and wondering will I get the money?
I choose that decision when I browsing to the Shawn's forum and wondering why most neo community against Dion. So, I am trying to stop taking risk with Dion ASAP.

Plus, imagine the pressure and anger I have to hold by waiting 4 weeks no payment. It will explode someday and I become a very bad boy.

Thanks guys and thanks for Shawn for creating this forum. Hope things get better.
I am myself becoming sick of tired of it.
I am a new Neo geo home collector and a bit fall down to NGF scheme.
I did not realize on NGF reputation until I saw this forum.
First time, I dealt with NGF about 4-5 months ago and things turn out bad.
I mention about my deal somewhere in this forum.
I realize I never had any dissapointment on Neo Deal until I deal with NGF. That's the first big disappointment on my Neo deal.
And things get on and off everytime I deal with NGF.
they like playing tricks (e-mail wording) and they think I do not know. I am just being to lean and kind...
But, inside I am not weak or stupid but I just like helping people.

Maybe NGF (Dion) did not realize and lol on my decision. Hope, he will change and realize what he did.

Gambit
09-24-2000, 02:05 AM
Sorry you had to deal with all that trouble asam, but at least everyone learns from their mistakes. Also I was wondering if anyone had heard back from them about the missing carts.

Mouse_Master
09-25-2000, 09:33 AM
Asam, you will let us know what happens, right?

Anyway, they have returned from Japan. I'm going to get some sources together for what people can do when they get ripped off and post them to this thread so everyone will know what htye can do when they get cheated (Sorry, but most of the info will only be relavent to the US).

Keith

Dreamh2o
09-25-2000, 05:26 PM
Iv not purchased from Dion. I will tell you however that Iv already found reason not to. When I first got back into
NG a month ago, I asked him for manuals and inserts, told him about an auction I was trying to win with 19
games in it, some that required his manuals and inserts. He did not bid in the auction prior to my message about
it, with no reply he bid on and won that auction. True online auctions are fair game for anyone who has the
money. But you should have enough manors not to bid on something you didn't notice, when a potential customer
points it out to you. He might have made some money on that deal, but he could have made more, showing me
he was honorable and gaining my business.

yuckydog
09-26-2000, 09:28 AM
Mouse, have they replied to you yet?

Mouse_Master
09-26-2000, 03:41 PM
Nope, I have not heard anything yet.

Keith

Dreamh2o
09-26-2000, 08:20 PM
Interesting how Dion cant find the time to reply with his busy schedual, but always time for a quick snipe...
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=440316580

Gambit
09-26-2000, 08:36 PM
Good call on the auction, I can't believe that bastard is auctioning stuff off while he won't even give Mouse his games. If he is in Japan like he says he is how the hell is he going to contact the high bidder on that auction. Just another sucker for NGF I guess.

Dreamh2o
09-26-2000, 09:04 PM
For the record, Dions open auction is http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441595892
Thats what Gambit was talking about... The auction listed in my post above is one Dion bid on and won... (sniped...so he was watching and waiting...)

Mouse_Master
09-26-2000, 09:14 PM
As I said, I would provide some links for reporting fraud..... First, here is a link to report mail fraud to the US Postal Inspection Service:
http://www.framed.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm

Any transaction that involved the US Postal service can be considered 'Mail Fraud' which is a federal offense. If you used another service to deliver payment like FedEx or UPS, the Postal Inspectors probably will not be able to help you.

Besides them, there is also the FBI's Internet Fraud Complaint Center which can be found at:

https://www.ifccfbi.gov/

I should have some more links shortly!

Keith

[This message has been edited by Mouse_Master (edited September 26, 2000).]

Mouse_Master
09-26-2000, 09:20 PM
For those wondering why I picked 2 weeks, here is the rule from the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) as far as it goes for transactions.

"Legitimate businesses appreciate feedback. Check the offer for the delivery time frame, usually 6 to 8 weeks, and then contact the company.

Please wait 2 weeks after contacting them before contacting us. When a delivery time is not specified, a Federal Trade Commission rule mandates fulfillment within 30 days, unless you applied for first-time credit with the company."

This information, and more, can be found at:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/mailordr/index.htm

Keith

chimpmeister
09-26-2000, 10:54 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Dion's auction for a 1-slot MVS board (the MV-1B):
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441595892

. . . actually an Irritating Maze dedicated MVS board? If so, the bios on the board will only work with the Irritating Maze game (trackball), and unless you replace the bios, the board is useless. Isn't this the case, or is this just a regular new-style 1-slot mini board?

Mouse_Master
09-26-2000, 11:45 PM
For those that are interested, here is the whois record for neogeofreak.com, which anyone can get access to on the internet. This information gives the contact info for who is responsible for the domain, and where the domain is hosted. Complaints for neogeofreak.com site should be sent to abuse@tintagel.net, as they are hosting the site.

To retrieve this information, all one needs to do is got http://www.networksolutions.com and click on 'Whois Lookup.' On the form on the next screen, just put in 'neogeofreak.com' and this information will come up once the form is submitted:

Registrant:
Dion Dakis (NEOGEOFREAK-DOM)
1412 Kirby Drive
LasVegas, NV 89117-1207
US

Domain Name: NEOGEOFREAK.COM

Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
Dakis, Dion (DD3956) DKD4@AOL.COM
NGF Distribution
1412 Kirby Drive
LasVegas, NV 89117
702-256-6598 (FAX) 702-256-6598

Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Domains, Tintagel (JO1399) domains@TINTAGEL.NET
Tintagel Net Solutions Group, Inc.
1366 North Boxley Avenue
Fayetteville, AR 72704
(501) 251-7450 (FAX) (405) 707-8074

Record last updated on 15-Mar-2000.
Record expires on 06-Oct-2001.
Record created on 06-Oct-1999.
Database last updated on 26-Sep-2000 01:21:18 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.TINTAGEL.NET 216.71.6.103
NS2.TINTAGEL.NET 209.204.250.170


[This message has been edited by Mouse_Master (edited September 26, 2000).]

Mouse_Master
09-27-2000, 12:01 AM
Here are some more links..... These links are to the consumer protection departments for the Attorney General's office in the states of Colorado, Maryland, and Nevada. When a transaction goes wrong, it is usually helpful to contact the States Attorneys office to register a complaint so when other agencies look into the complaint, they can compare notes. Onto the links....

For Colorado (Where one part of NeoGeoFreak is located) goto: http://www.ago.state.co.us/CONSPROT.HTM

For Maryland (Where I am located) you goto: http://www.oag.state.md.us/Consumer/index.htm

For Nevada (Where the other part of NeoGeoFreak is located) goto: http://ag.state.nv.us/bcp/home.htm

More to come!

Keith

[This message has been edited by Mouse_Master (edited September 27, 2000).]

Gambit
09-27-2000, 12:10 AM
Wow Keith sounds like you will have this taken care of one way or the other http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif Have you contacted these sites or officials to investigate Dion and NGF???

Mouse_Master
09-27-2000, 12:16 AM
And, here are some more links to get some help with a failed transaction.

The National Fraud Information Center: http://www.fraud.org/info/repoform.htm

And, it also help to contact the local Better Business Bureau.

For me, the local BBB can be contacted at: http://www.dc.bbb.org/

For Las Vegas, Nevada: http://www.vegasbbb.org/

And for Denver, Colorado: http://www.denver.bbb.org/

More to come in a couple days!

Keith

Mouse_Master
09-27-2000, 12:20 AM
Gambit,

No, I have not contacted anyone yet. I said they had until 10/6/2000, and I will stick to that. Once that date has come and past and I have not received either the games or my money back, with interest (21.8% was the published rate today, about $20 on what I paid them), I will start contacting everyone.

And, hopefully other people on the board will find this information useful for resolving any deals they have outstanding!

Keith

Dreamh2o
09-27-2000, 12:52 PM
Unless Dion has a laptop and takes all his emails with him... I dont see how one of these two, either his message, or his absence could be true.... The IP headers show that it was sent through an AOL conncetion... would somone have access to AOL in Japan?? Interesting.

Received:
from imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10] by mail.needa.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id AB4D5830013C;
Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:15:57 -0700
Received:
from DKD4@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id f.ae.b0de4e5 (4244) for
<DreamH2o@videogameland.com>; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:21:56 -0400 (EDT)
From:
DKD4@aol.com
Message-ID:
<ae.b0de4e5.270386b3@aol.com>
Date:
Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:21:55 EDT
Subject:
Re: Neo Geo
To:
DreamH2o@videogameland.com
MIME-Version:
1.0
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
7bit
X-Mailer:
AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118
X-RCPT-TO:
<DreamH2o@videogameland.com>
Status:
U
X-Mozilla-Status:
8011
X-Mozilla-Status2:
00000000
X-UIDL:
261371103

Did you ever send me those inserts?
I was just checking over some of my email and I came across
this email in which you wanted to send in your old inserts for the NGF
versions.

Let me know.


Oh buddy, I didn't outbid you on that Neo system.
You were not the high bidder, some other guy was.
You were like the 4th or 5th high bidder.


thanks,
Dion

Mouse_Master
09-27-2000, 01:36 PM
While you can access AOL from Japan, that message was sent from a US connection to AOL from a US version of Windows and AOL 5.0.

Keith

chimpmeister
09-27-2000, 05:39 PM
Are you saying (gasp!) that Dion is a liar, that he made up the whole story about going to Japan? Is that possible? http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/eek.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/eek.gif

OF COURSE ITS POSSIBLE, YOU DIMWIT (that's the common sense part of my brain talking to the gullible part of my brain), LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER CRAP HE'S PULLED, DUH?

http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Gambit
09-27-2000, 05:44 PM
He probably only went to Disney Land, where he works part time as the person who walks around the park in the Goofy outfit. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

yuckydog
09-27-2000, 09:31 PM
Mouse, just saw a post from Dion over on the sellers forum about how you should only deal with people in the US that give out their real home addresses. "If the deal goes sour, fly to their hose and say hello.That is why I give out all my info openly. Honesty is the best policy."

He can read and post on other forums yet not reply to your ultimatum? I would take that as a sign that he isn't going to rectify your dilemma.

James

chimpmeister
09-27-2000, 10:31 PM
Yeah . . . I think he's scared. Probably locked in his closet, under a blanket, with his heart beating quickly, trying to be very quiet . . . and listening for noises in his apartment or trailer home or whatever.

Paranoia can do funny things to you . . . http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Some day, all the bad karma he's handed out is going to come looking for him . . . and it ain't gonna be pretty. http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/frown.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/frown.gif http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Mouse_Master
10-02-2000, 04:03 PM
For the curious, I still have not heard anything from them at all. We know they are back since they did work on the web site....

Keith

Gambit
10-02-2000, 05:45 PM
Speaking of them updating their site, did you see the bastards put up the King of Fighters 2000 pics of their crappy homemade shit. I guarantee that the only reason they went to Japan was to buy up a bunch of King of Fighters 2000 MVS carts and just to bring them over here and make their crap. It really is very funny how they say they have legions of NGF customers and how they are Big Tymers. I guess we all suck here, but thats ok because I wouldn't want to be a Big Tyme piece of shit like Dickless Dakis. Yeah I'm real sure they have legions of fans. Please let me know where all these fans are because they sure as hell aint here. May God take pity on your poor soul.

Mouse_Master
10-03-2000, 05:57 PM
I'm getting some more links together for the reports on Friday.....


http://www.fraudbureau.com/database/complaint1.html
http://www.web-police.org/forms/wp_crimereport.html

And finally, a nice DOJ FAQ on Fraud with more links at the bottom:
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/fraud/Internet.htm

Hope someone is finding this useful!

Keith

asam79
10-03-2000, 11:17 PM
I wonder what action will NGF freak take...
after reading this post...

Will they ship the carts?

If not, I am still in to post my Neo deal with NGF (my honest opinion on the deal with NGF)...let's you guys decide it is a bad deal or a fair deal (it's pro and con; of course)

Of course, if people not sick of NGF story.

Please, post here if you want my story on Neo dealing with NGF...
(if the deadline has passed)

I am also waiting till october 6th...

Gambit
10-03-2000, 11:21 PM
Would love to hear it asam http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Gambit
10-06-2000, 02:25 AM
Well its October 6, and still no word from NGF. Sounds like fraud charges to my ears http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Good luck I hope you get something accomplished by turning them in.

wjw123
10-06-2000, 03:00 AM
chimpmeister,

Did you also notice his auctions are private - so chris can bid up the price?

Something smells fishy or do I smell a RAT


Originally posted by chimpmeister:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Dion's auction for a 1-slot MVS board (the MV-1B):
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441595892

. . . actually an Irritating Maze dedicated MVS board? If so, the bios on the board will only work with the Irritating Maze game (trackball), and unless you replace the bios, the board is useless. Isn't this the case, or is this just a regular new-style 1-slot mini board?

Mouse_Master
10-06-2000, 11:03 AM
NGF has failed to respond within the allotted 2 weeks. Further action will now be taken.

Keith

Dolphin
10-06-2000, 12:36 PM
For the curious, I still have not heard anything from them at all. We know they are back since they did work on the web site....
Keith

Chris Ray dropped by #neogeo EFNET Wednesday night (10/04/00), as indicated by my channel logs. The IP checked out to be his as well:

Beginning of log 10/04/00:

"[21:50] *** chrisr has joined #neogeo
[21:51] * RekkaKen asks if anyone cares to play Callus on a FAST CONNECTION to play SF2:T Come to #Callus for instructions on how to get my foot out of your ass.You can also go to www.sealteamsix.com/sf2 (http://www.sealteamsix.com/sf2) to register...
[21:54] <amptor> jjjj eats lambs after he has sex with them :/
[21:54] <amptor> hey chrisr how's it hanging
[21:55] <Steve|> tell me something amptor
[21:55] <Steve|> DO YOU WANT TO DIE
[21:55] <chrisr> hey
[21:56] <chrisr> not bad, how bout you?
[21:56] <amptor> pretty good
[21:56] <chrisr> been along time since I rock and rolled in #neogeo
[21:56] <amptor> yup
[21:56] <amptor> aren't you that chrisr who released some neogeo rom
[21:56] <DrHelskt> chrisr: how long?
[21:57] <chrisr> months
[21:57] <chrisr> i popped in yesterday
[21:57] <chrisr> but otherwise months
[21:57] <DrHelskt> and you went by chrisr
[21:57] <DrHelskt> ?
[21:58] <chrisr> yea
[21:58] <chrisr> always
[21:58] <DrHelskt> hmm, do you remember me?
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[21:58] <chrisr> no, actually it was dead
[21:58] <neofreak> oh boy, the almighty chrisr..
[21:58] <chrisr> never said a thing
[21:59] <amptor> chrisr rox you
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[21:59] <chrisr> always....
[22:00] *** chrisr is now known as NGFUSA
[22:00] <neofreak> HAHAHA
[22:00] <amptor> chrisr: are you the guy who had the pics of drag racing a porsche 911sn on a web page?
[22:01] <NGFUSA> well, yea
[22:01] <NGFUSA> but it wasnt a website
[22:01] <NGFUSA> i had those pics on for myself
[22:01] <amptor> oh
[22:01] <NGFUSA> they were never even html'ed
[22:01] <NGFUSA> people were just snooping my dir
[22:01] <amptor> ah hehe
[22:02] <amptor> whose car is it?
[22:02] <NGFUSA> it was mine
[22:02] <neofreak> whats your qtr mile time?
[22:03] <amptor> ah..that was a hard top right?
[22:03] <NGFUSA> yea
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[22:03] <NGFUSA> coupe
[22:03] <neofreak> i'll race you.
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[22:03] <neofreak> i'm running low 13s now
[22:03] <amptor> RDman
[22:03] <neofreak> 12s soon.
[22:03] <NGFUSA> great
[22:04] <NGFUSA> i ran a 13.45 that day
[22:04] <NGFUSA> bone stock
[22:04] <NGFUSA> and I mean BONE stock
[22:04] <neofreak> yea, bone stock for me is 13.7ish
[22:04] <NGFUSA> the car was VERY hard to drag though
[22:05] <amptor> I dunno what mine runs..I need to put wide wheels back on the rear of my car
[22:05] <NGFUSA> 4 speed manual
[22:05] <NGFUSA> either bog or up in smoke
[22:05] <amptor> before I can do any drag racing.. well probably don't need to but it'd give more traction
[22:05] <NGFUSA> very tempermental
[22:05] <amptor> 4 speed? I thought they were stock 5 speed and barely anyone uses final drive
[22:06] <amptor> maybe that was 4..
[22:06] <NGFUSA> mine was a 930S
[22:06] <NGFUSA> they only made them in 86-89
[22:06] <NGFUSA> and 86-88 they were 4 speeds
[22:06] <NGFUSA> 89 they got a 5
[22:06] <amptor> ah
[22:07] <NGFUSA> whats your ride neofreak?
[22:08] <neofreak> '93 RX-7.
[22:08] <NGFUSA> is that the older body style or the newer one?
[22:08] <neofreak> newer
[22:08] <NGFUSA> isnt 94 the first year
[22:08] <neofreak> no, '93 is.
[22:08] <neofreak> '92 in japan
[22:08] <NGFUSA> cool
[22:08] <NGFUSA> those are neat cars
[22:08] <neofreak> basically the same as the '00
[22:09] <NGFUSA> if you arent scared of the rotory
[22:09] <neofreak> yea, 1.3l of pure power. =)
[22:09] <neofreak> i'm not.
[22:09] <neofreak> i've had a '90, now a '93, and getting an '87 Turbo
[22:09] <NGFUSA> just the seals
[22:09] <NGFUSA> i had a buddy who had one
[22:09] <neofreak> seals are fine if you make sure you dont get low on oil.
[22:09] <neofreak> you have to check every 1k miles
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[22:09] <NGFUSA> yea
[22:10] <neofreak> if its low.. boom,
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[22:10] <neofreak> but thats the only thing you need to really worry about.
[22:10] <NGFUSA> anyway, I sold my porsche when I moved
[22:10] <amptor> why did you sell it
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[22:10] <NGFUSA> but I have nothing bad to say about it
[22:10] <NGFUSA> colo isnt a greatplace for a sportscar really
[22:10] <NGFUSA> but more because I was going to travel alot
[22:10] <NGFUSA> and my wife hated it, it was to hard to drive for her
[22:11] <amptor> man get rid of the wife, keep the slant http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/wink.gif
[22:11] <neofreak> haha.
[22:11] <NGFUSA> heh, yea.
[22:11] <NGFUSA> I had a C5
[22:11] <NGFUSA> and she loved that
[22:11] <NGFUSA> i thought it was great too
[22:11] <neofreak> ewwwww
[22:11] <neofreak> =p
[22:11] <NGFUSA> ran 13.20 in that bone stock
[22:12] <NGFUSA> even woth a 2.0 60ft time
[22:12] <NGFUSA> i can shift like a mother though
[22:12] <amptor> ya same.. I spin it up
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[22:14] <NGFUSA> with stock tires its just hard to hook up
[22:14] <NGFUSA> regardless
[22:14] <neofreak> so how many people bought $1500 kof00's?
[22:14] <amptor> I think it's mainly because I used to have a smaller engine that made my car take off slower
[22:14] <amptor> just learned to drive like that haha
[22:14] <amptor> ya when I have my window rolled down and my radio off, I hear my tires squeal when I take off most of the time
[22:15] <amptor> my wide wheels and tires don't very often
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[22:16] <NGFUSA> there were a handful
[22:16] <NGFUSA> of people that didnt want to wait
[22:17] <NGFUSA> and we provide
[22:17] <neofreak> i see.
[22:18] <neofreak> thats cool.
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[22:19] <neofreak> i need a kizuna USA.. any extras around?
[22:19] <NGFUSA> actually i do have one
[22:19] <neofreak> oh? how much?
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[22:20] <NGFUSA> $600
[22:20] <neofreak> how about ddragon?
[22:20] <neofreak> usa
[22:20] <NGFUSA> just my own
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[22:20] <neofreak> is that kizuna an original?
[22:20] <neofreak> non-ngf?
[22:21] <NGFUSA> yea
[22:21] <NGFUSA> origina
[22:21] <NGFUSA> snk
[22:21] <neofreak> hmmm tempting.
[22:21] <neofreak> oringal SNK as in original SNK.. not original SNK manipulated by dion, right? =)
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[22:22] <Gat0> [NaMcO] namco am 1≥≥7
[22:22] <Geese> [NaMcO] namco am 1≥≥7
[22:22] *** Geese sets mode: +v NaMcO
[22:22] <NGFUSA> heh, to be specific
[22:22] <NGFUSA> 100% snk
[22:22] <NGFUSA> not NGF touched
[22:22] <neofreak> ok.
[22:22] <amptor> the ngf modification is to play it on a home system right?
[22:23] <neofreak> whats your email address? can i let you know later?
[22:23] <NGFUSA> amptor, whichmod you talkign about?
[22:23] <NGFUSA> NGF provides tons
[22:23] <amptor> oh
[22:23] <NGFUSA> neofreak its cray@neogeofreak.com
[22:24] <NGFUSA> we have all mods nobody else does
[22:24] <amptor> chris: do you guys sell to arcades..or is it always individual users buying stuff?
[22:25] <NGFUSA> it is 80% individuals
[22:25] <NGFUSA> the rest is resellers
[22:25] <NGFUSA> or arcades
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[22:25] <NGFUSA> but not really much ops
[22:26] <amptor> ah
[22:26] <NGFUSA> since we dont specialize in MVS selling
[22:26] <amptor> I need to find an arcade where I can play metal slug 3 at :/
[22:26] <marco_a> find me some ms3 and kof2k betas
[22:27] <marco_a> ill buy them
[22:27] <NGFUSA> i have one for sale
[22:27] <NGFUSA> MS3 MVS
[22:27] <marco_a> beta?
[22:27] <amptor> I also wonder if strikers II psx is different than strikers plus neogeo.. cuz I found an arcade with that
[22:27] <NGFUSA> marco, I assume you have had KOF00 and MS3
[22:27] <marco_a> yep
[22:27] <NGFUSA> is your MS3 like the 00
[22:27] <neofreak> amptor: its different.
[22:28] <NGFUSA> with the P rom
[22:28] <NGFUSA> sub board
[22:28] <marco_a> i have both models, with and without ngcp "cart" as the p roms
[22:28] <NGFUSA> yea mine is without
[22:28] <NGFUSA> and I wondered
[22:29] <marco_a> only the first batch came like that
[22:29] <NGFUSA> withthe sub board
[22:29] <NGFUSA> or without
[22:29] <marco_a> with
[22:29] <NGFUSA> yea
[22:29] <NGFUSA> for "protection"
[22:29] <NGFUSA> i guess
[22:29] <marco_a> hehe
[22:29] <Brywalker> dammit
[22:29] <marco_a> nah, they just got rid of the stock of ngpc pcbs i think
[22:29] <NGFUSA> you have 00 carts without?
[22:30] <Brywalker> it's not so easy to rip off columbia house anymore :/
[22:30] <marco_a> yes, both models
[22:30] <NGFUSA> all of the NGF ones had the sub board
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[22:31] <NGFUSA> anyone here looking for a MS3 MVS?
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[22:32] <Force|> yah
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[22:32] * Yuu is away -[ sleeping ]- at 05:30a -[ P:On / L:On ]-
[22:33] <Force|> sup mr ray
[22:33] <NGFUSA> matt.....
[22:33] <NGFUSA> are we speaking now?
[22:33] <Force|> we never stopped
[22:33] <Force|> hey
[22:34] <Force|> Can you help me out with something?
[22:34] <NGFUSA> me?
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[22:34] <Force|> yah
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[22:34] <NGFUSA> what?
[23:26] *** NGFUSA has quit IRC"

I just thought you might want to know that the men who make up "NGF" are indeed lurking around, and are definitely not too busy to contact you regarding your missing games...



[This message has been edited by DolphinLord (edited October 06, 2000).]

Viewpoint
10-07-2000, 06:45 PM
Hmm I guess the old Dion defense of we have never done a bad deal with anyone is starting to show again.

NGF is PWA

Oh and for those of you who don't undertsand dionism, Neo Geo Freak is Proved Wrong again.

BonusKun

Gambit
07-11-2002, 05:19 AM
Just giving newbies a wake up call and reminding people what these fuckers have done in the past. Makismo you supported this shit even further so if you get burned don't come crying back to these forums.

Fox1
07-11-2002, 07:10 AM
Why is this thread back up? heh

DangerousK
07-11-2002, 12:03 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Fox1:
<strong>Why is this thread back up? heh</strong><hr></blockquote>

There's been a lot of NGF mention lately I guess. Everyone wants to spread the truth about those 2 rump rangers.

td741
07-11-2002, 12:15 PM
I'm curious as to what happened finally.

Makismo
07-11-2002, 12:32 PM
I don't think I have too much to worry about at this point. I don't think it will take a month to get my converted game back from them. Like I said it took just a week shipping both ways to get my inserts. :)

Professor_Mayhem
07-11-2002, 12:57 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>I don't think I have too much to worry about at this point. I don't think it will take a month to get my converted game back from them. Like I said it took just a week shipping both ways to get my inserts. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>


Wrong SUCKA!!!

KYO 2000 was a real good butt-buddy with them and he got ripped off. What makes you think you're so fucking special? Oh yeah, you have the ability to make up stories about people when they can't defend themselves.
<img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

-The Reverend 330 Mega

Kyo 2000
07-11-2002, 01:20 PM
I take offense at being called anyone's "butt-buddy".

Professor_Mayhem
07-11-2002, 01:27 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Kyo 2000:
<strong>I take offense at being called anyone's "butt-buddy".</strong><hr></blockquote>

We do live in the same state. Care to meet up?

-The Reverend 330 Mega

Kyo 2000
07-11-2002, 01:38 PM
Sure thing man. I'm going relocating, once I'm all moved in, I'll contact you. Maybe once I get my neo shit in gear and hooked up we can get together and play.

Or meet out somewhere? I'll hit you with more when I get home from work tonight! I think I remember you telling me you live in Louisville, that's about 45 minutes away.

Professor_Mayhem
07-11-2002, 01:41 PM
Cool, I get Lou and we'll have us a good old fashioned inbred Neo hodown. I'll get to making us some moonshine. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeedoggay!!!

-The Reverend 330 Mega

Kyo 2000
07-11-2002, 01:48 PM
That's hilarious! Man PM me your number, I'll at least give you a call this weekend.

Makismo
07-11-2002, 03:19 PM
Well, now the forum is an online dating service. You and Kyo 2000 deserve each other. Why don't you both do something useful and go play in the street?

[ July 11, 2002: Message edited by: Makismo ]</p>

Professor_Mayhem
07-11-2002, 03:28 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>Well, now the forum is an online dating service. You and Kyo 2000 deserve each other. Why don't you both do something useful and go play in the street?

[ July 11, 2002: Message edited by: Makismo ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Haha,that's pretty funny coming from a guy who sucks Dion's steroid shrunken cock. Tell me, do you do the standard bob up and down or do you twirl your tongue around it?

I've noticed you've deleted a lot of posts at the NGF forums. You know, the ones where you're begging Dion to stick himself inside of you. The ones where you dream about tasting his body. You should really stop that you know.

Oh well, I've come to expect this sort of sick and twisted behaviour from someone who supports NGF. Let me know when he busts a nut in your mouth so I can mark that day in history as The Day Another NGF Supporter Got What Was Cumming to Him.


<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />
-The Reverend 330 Mega

Professor_Mayhem
07-11-2002, 05:30 PM
BUMP

Because I want people to know the truth about Makismo!!!

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

-The Reverend 330 Mega

BeefJerky
07-11-2002, 10:14 PM
Dang. It's okay to come out of the closet Makismo. It isn't the 1950's anymore ya know. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

EDIT: LET US GO FORTH TO THE WARROOM IN THIS THREAD! TALLY HO! <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

[ July 11, 2002: Message edited by: Matt Semmel ]</p>

Makismo
07-11-2002, 10:44 PM
I'm not gay. I am not gay happy either. Where would you get such an idea? :( I think you are trying to yank my chain, but it won't work. I will not lower myself to your level because I am better than you. :)

Professor_Mayhem
07-11-2002, 11:26 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>I'm not gay. I am not gay happy either. Where would you get such an idea? :( I think you are trying to yank my chain, but it won't work. I will not lower myself to your level because I am better than you. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

Awww, it's the new millenium, you don't have to hide anymore. Feel free to express your desire to run your tongue around Dion's scrotum. You want his strong fist to pump your ass, just admit it. Nobody will laugh at you for wanting him to freak your ass with his NGF Brand Superfreaky Cum.

Geez man, be yourself, it's okay... <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

-The Reverend 330 Mega

Makismo
07-11-2002, 11:28 PM
You sir are a villain and not a gentleman. :(

Professor_Mayhem
07-11-2002, 11:32 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>You sir are a villain and not a gentleman. :( </strong><hr></blockquote>


And you sir, are afraid to express your homoerotic desires for Dion.

-The Reverend 330 Mega
<img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

Makismo
07-11-2002, 11:34 PM
Is that the best comeback that your pee-brain can muster?

Professor_Mayhem
07-11-2002, 11:38 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>Is that the best comeback that your pee-brain can muster?</strong><hr></blockquote>


<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />
No, but that "vilian/gentleman" remark was extremely weak.

Makismo
07-11-2002, 11:40 PM
Grand, I am so glad that you can find your way around a refrigerator. Getting your ass out of a chair is another question. :)

Professor_Mayhem
07-11-2002, 11:44 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>Grand, I am so glad that you can find your way around a refrigerator. Getting your ass out of a chair is another question. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>


Come to chat, let's talk...

Makismo
07-11-2002, 11:45 PM
I'm there...

Makismo
07-12-2002, 12:03 AM
I thought that you wanted to talk. The only thing you did was to show me how stupid you really are.

td741
07-12-2002, 09:56 AM
Now, now boys. This is all nice and everything but shouldn't you take this homoerotic obsessions and bickering to the war room? All you're doing is taking a potentially informed thread and ruining any credibility and worth of it. <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

I'd still like to find out what happened with this scam/misunderstanding/whatever you call it.

Was fraud reported?
Were agencies contacted?
Did the deal work out?
What was the result?

Does the "system" work for the scammed individuals (regardless on who is the "scammer")?

I guess I'll have to find out via e-mail.