Are N-G.com members some of the biggest hypocrites regarding ROM usage?

Big Shady

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I pose this question to you. In the general discussion if anyone brings up the mention of the NEO GEO ROMS used on an emulator and how to acquire the ROMS, they get flamed out the ass and its basically grounds for banishment.

Come in here in Unrelated, and people will rattle on about how awesome it is to modify "teh XBawks" to play "teh ROMZ" and even rip full blown XBOX games on to these massive harddrives that they have put inside their XBOX. Now is it just me or is this the biggest hypocritical piece of donkey doo-doo you've ever heard of? Don't get ROMs for NEO GEO, buy the MVS/AES carts, but playing ROMs of the SNES, Genny, N64, PSX, Saturn, etc. is just fine on a modded XBOX that will allow you to do such things.

Why I ask you, just why?
 
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abasuto

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ROMS on here is alot like men and anal sex. Sure, we all do it, we just don't openly talk about it.
 

JHendrix

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MANY here who would argue with me constantly about ROMZ being both inferior and evil years ago now have modded XBox's loaded with them.

It is...rather satisfying to see them turn around so much. :p
 

kafuin_gaira

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it's one of the main things that drove me away from the forum a while back, but then i just stopped caring...
 

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Big Shady said:
I pose this question to you. In the general discussion if anyone brings up the mention of the NEO GEO ROMS used on an emulator and how to acquire the ROMS, they get flamed out the ass and its basically grounds for banishment.

Come in here in Unrelated, and people will rattle on about how awesome it is to modify "teh XBawks" to play "teh ROMZ" and even rip full blown XBOX games on to these massive harddrives that they have put inside their XBOX. Now is it just me or is this the biggest hypocritical piece of donkey doo-doo you've ever heard of? Don't get ROMs for NEO GEO, buy the MVS/AES carts, but playing ROMs of the SNES, Genny, N64, PSX, Saturn, etc. is just fine on a modded XBOX that will allow you to do such things.

Why I ask you, just why?

It saved me thousands, and I can play these games with better picture and sound quality that the Neo will ever accomplish.

Suckers spend $100 - $12,000 on a 16-Bit game.

Like I give a flying fuck about piracy...

"Wow, look at me, I have $40,000 in games in my room!"
 

Mushiki

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SNK now being SNKP and the Xbox itself are the "perfect" excuses.
 

Curt

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I don't approve of the Roms, Unless you have the AES/MVS/NGCD/NGPC to actual carts as well...

I have a sizeable collection, but I can see the convenience of having them All instantly availible to me via the bawks, without fiddling around with the carts etc...


I love the feel of playing my actual AES/Carts better though...
 

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Big Shady said:
Why I ask you, just why?

Because people have a lot of bizarre hang-ups that come from some arbitrary ethical code that 1) they just made up out of thin air and 2) make no sense.
 

galfordo

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I actually got started on Neo Geo stuff around 1999-2000 by playing t3h romz - but now I never touch them. I have some on my computer, but the only ones I ever play are the older arcade games, as filling up my room with arcade PCB's isn't really an option for me.

But anyway, yeah, lots of people here are romz whores, but oh well. Anti-romz crusades aren't really gonna help the scene, so live and let live, I say.
 

datalogik

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I got about 50gb worth of Mame ROMS. They helped me discover what games were good and which ones sucked, so It was beneficial to me. I bought the games I wanted and have yet to find the rest.
 

Big Shady

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I too have ROMs, let my clear that out of the way :p

I am not trying to push my beliefs down anyones' throats. I think having emulated is:

1) A good way to "try" games out, especially NEO GEO games where the prices can get quite high

2) They are a good archive to preserve the past.

3) Its nice to have them when traveling

I do have ROMs, but I do have the orginal carts. I just feel like a total rat bastard if I would have game after game that I never paid for, but that's my philosophy and you don't have to abide by it.

What just irks me is the hypocrycy that runs rampant around here.
 

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I see your point Big Shady but at the same time I really don't give a flying fuck what someone else does, or how they acquired the games they are playing. As Galfordo mentioned about TEH ROMZ, I myself had been out of the NEO:GEO loop for about two or three years when a droog of mine handed me 2 CDRs with "Teh Romz" and Neo Rage Emulator. For awhile {most of 2001} this sufficed, but then I wanted the real deal again and ended up getting what was then my fourth AES system +34 games in May of 2002... only to sell that whole thing... then bought a 2-Slot MVS Cab, and currently have a 2-Slot CMVS set up as well. ---> Thus "TEH ROMZ" made me want to have the real deal. But if someone wants to emulate over having a tangible AES/MVS Cart and the system, hey that's their thing. It means that's ONE more MVS cart on the market for me since they obviously don't need it.

*As for the other game systems, I think the emulation scene is simply awesome, especially for the harder to find PCBs out there like Super Contra. ---But all I play/collect for these days are Neo:Geo, Famicom, Mega Drive, ColecoVision, Super Famicom so it's not like I'll have a Hot Box anytime soon.

MERC X99
 

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I think sentiment was more anti-rom when the Neo was alive. No new games=SNKP doesn't lose money now if you play Neo roms. Of course, it still hurts the Neostore and Arcade Shock, but it seems most people who would have bought a Neo cart in the first place, still buy the Neo carts. Other systems like SNES, etc. were already dead, so it's not like it's somehow hurting Nintendo sales.

The other thing being that there aren't really any nearby arcades, and it can be a 30-40 minute drive to get to another member's place to play (pretty much most of my friends don't play video games anymore, and none of them except one play fighters...and even he plays almost exclusively Capcom), so online play has growing appeal. I'm on Mac, so so far I got no way to get in on any of this, but it is interesting.

Are N-G.com members hypocrites? Oh hell yes. But who isn't?
 

Loopz

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I can say quite honestly that I was never one of those ROM haters that pervade this place. Emulation has a place in gaming, for damn sure. There are so many awesome games that were never ported and absolutely cannot be found anywhere, and the real crime would be if they disappeared altogether.

As far as the Neo goes, hey, I'll take the real thing over ROMs any day of the week.
Anyone who's never known the pleasure of the real Neo-Geo in whatever form you choose (Home, MVS, CD) is definitely missing out. Right now though, I'm on a mission to finally break through and get my goddamned degree, and my low-wage college job and tiny apartment allow me neither the funds nor the space to own such a luxury. So for me, the ROMs must suffice.

But yes, it's amazing how Teh Bawks allowed the ROMs to suddenly become widely acceptable around here. It's just a PC in an ugly box that hooks up to the TV, fools.
 

Dallas_Five

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eh, i'm no hypocrite since i've never really given my view on this topic. And although it's been beaten to death and although i have trouble comprehending why anyone cares what some anonymous internet persona thinks, i'll give it a (probably long-winded and non-sensical) go.

The short answer: When it comed down to it, who really cares? If you don't like romz, don't use them. Simple as that.

The long answer: There are very few black or white issues in life, and romz usage certainly isn't one of them. Yes, it's illegal. So's smoking reefer. Whoops, lock my ass up. But more importantly for me is the question: is it immoral? It can be, if you're a total romwhore and take the viewpoint of "fuck that, i want free shit". But that's not me. I pump plenty of dollars into the videogame industry and try to support smaller software developers as much as possible. I own an AES (along with ten or so other consoles) and eight badass games for it. I buy SNKP ports and will one day hopefully pick up a cab and among the shitload of MVS carts i buy, hopefully there will be a KOF 03, SSVS, etc.

I also play teh romz. OHHHHH shit!!!

For me, it's a question of practicality. I'm not interested in collecting a thousand NES carts so i can play certain games sparingly. Most romz i have are games i would never purchase. If i love a game, i buy it no doubt. In fact, i've spent at least $1500 on videogame shit in the past year alone. I have enough games i've hardly played yet, i don't need hundreds more sitting and collecting dust. Fuck, it's a pain in the ass to even have to hook up all my different systems to play a game. I'm not into collecting a bunch of shit (though that seems to be happening regardless), i'm into playing videogames and having fun. And romz are an easy way to have fun. Then there is the whole jpn issue, in that there are certain games i'll never be able to find without going to japan and maybe not even then, and other games i never would have even known about if it wasn't for emulation.

I don't talk too much about NEO romz specifically out of respect to the people here who have spent thousands and thousands on their carts. Like i said, collecting isn't really my thing, but i don't try to piss people off by being like, "OMG i get 2 play gamez 4 fr33!!!" cuz that's just lame and i'm not some fourteen-year-old dipshit. In fact, i see very little of that here. I only mention it because some members seem to think peeps with modded xboxes try to rub it in other people's faces. If anything, there may be a joke or sarcastic remark once in a while, but for the most part, i'd advise those complaining cats to lighten up a little.

And i doubt there's anyone here that would claim romz are better than the real thing. Between memory errors, bad checksums, corrupt files, glitchy emus, and the annoyance of having to actually find romz, they're often more trouble than they're worth. THen there's all the badass jpn box and manual art one misses out on, plus the intagible satisfaction of actually owning a significant game.

In closing, i feel like i've written a rushed and half-assed opinion piece that will be ravaged by my professor tomorrow, But i haven't been a college student for over a year now, so fuck it. I think i'll go have a beer.

edit - regarding the hypocrisy: the people that get flamed are usually the romwhore types i cited above. They register at a board devoted to the NEO hardware and legit software for the express purpose of asking "who's got teh romzzz?" That's just fucking dumb, not to mention lazy. If you really want romz at least spend some time figuring the shit out and getting them yourself.

Or just repeatedly PM fats until he gives you shit in order to shut you up. This method is untested, but highly recommended.
 
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slerch666

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I don't play ROMs at all. I used to play NES Emus/ROMS on my PC (of games I own) but I'd rather have the real, unomfortable as having your balls in a vice grip, controller in my hands as I play.

I don't agree with stealing others works, but if you own a game and want to play an EMU of it on a modded X-Cawks, who am I to stop you? Hell, even if you DON'T own the game, who am I to stop you?
 

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I for one DO NOT use roms!

..I forgot to bring a controller down to the dorm. Without it what's the point?
 

JHendrix

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I'll add something substantial to this.

Shady, if I remember right you're in school for Engineering right? They probably taught you this in one of the engineering buisness classes but I don't remember what the official name is.

Emulation passed the technological hurdle I think a year or so ago. Always think in terms of the average user, who for all intents and purposes knows little to nothing about computers, ROMZ, electronics, or anything.

It used to be plaing ROMZ well required a fast computer, a well configured emulator, and the knowhow to get working ROMZ that worked with the right emulator, from some backlog of the internet.

Then there were MAME cabs, but you had to build them yourself, or use a TV out card with a PC tower near your TV and use self built controllers or converters. Things were way better, but still took a good bit of knowhow.

Now we've got modded XBox's you can BUY configured and loaded with ROMZ for pretty low prices. Worst comes to worse you follow a detailed tutorial on how to get the 6Gb of ROMZ you just downloaded off a well known bit-torrent site on your XBox.

You just plug it into your TV, select your game and play. You want good joysticks? You can buy any style you like from a number of vendors.

It's easy to say "ROMZ SUCK! THEY'RE BUGGY! THEY LOOK LIKE CRAP ON A 17" MONITOR AND YOU HAVE TO USE A KEYBOARD!!!" when that's all the "dumb masses" can do. But now when you can get filtered Neo games in progressive scan on an HDTV out of a simple box you just plug in, all for a couple hundred bucks, ROMZ ain't such a bad thing anymore.

It's like Napster and Kazaa. Back when you had to go through Hotline or FTP's and trade accounts with Admins and stuff to get MP3's and other illegal files, no one in the industry really cared.

But when Napster and Kazaa made it so any idiot who knew the name of the program could do a couple of clicks and then just type in the name of what they wanted and grab it, then the industry took notice.

Now that things are easy more people can do it and see things as a lot of us did a couple years ago, and so they love ROMZ.

Remember the average user. A fully modded Neo can go for as much as $400. Add in one relatively new/popular game and you're up to $500-$600. For that much you can get a modded XBox and two good joysticks of your preference, and every single Neo-Geo game ever. It's cheap, compared to the real Neo (MVS or AES), it's easier, and it gives better picture and sound. What do you think most people are going to go for?

See what I mean?
 
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Poonman

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Big Shady said:
....but playing ROMs of the SNES, Genny, N64, PSX, Saturn, etc. is just fine on a modded XBOX that will allow you to do such things....


OMMFFG!1 Teh bawkxs emul8z t3h Satern? Thats teh ub4r!111 :buttrock:

Seriously, I use MAME and the roms I get are instrumential in my bizarre, sleepless all night ventures in the the fucked up underworld of obscure arcade gaming.


Where the fuck else am I gonna get Saboten Bombers, Penguin Bros, Ninja Kids, and *SHUDDER* Double Dragon 3?

Seriously, they should archive these games in public library's on some digital database for kids to "study"....lest they forget what a REAL fucking game is supposed to be: A BLATANT RIP-OFF, LOLZ.



That's my 0.02, take it and shove it up your asses, you rom whores/hater sonsofbitches...
 

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Big Shady said:
I pose this question to you. In the general discussion if anyone brings up the mention of the NEO GEO ROMS used on an emulator and how to acquire the ROMS, they get flamed out the ass and its basically grounds for banishment.

Come in here in Unrelated, and people will rattle on about how awesome it is to modify "teh XBawks" to play "teh ROMZ" and even rip full blown XBOX games on to these massive harddrives that they have put inside their XBOX. Now is it just me or is this the biggest hypocritical piece of donkey doo-doo you've ever heard of? Don't get ROMs for NEO GEO, buy the MVS/AES carts, but playing ROMs of the SNES, Genny, N64, PSX, Saturn, etc. is just fine on a modded XBOX that will allow you to do such things.

Why I ask you, just why?

This site has never been 'fair', there are double standards everywhere and thats the way its gonna be.

Honestly man, why would you care about this?

Fact is, people are gonna be into roms no matter what, are we supposed to moderate every post to find the mention of them?

Also, be aware that if people are banned, a good deal of the time its related to the fact they are here only to BEG for roms in the first place.
If that activity is allowed, retards will poor in.

Roms are a blind eye sort of mentality.
 

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I use romz as references toward my future purchases,and that's that.

BIG-
 

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datalogik said:
I got about 50gb worth of Mame ROMS. They helped me discover what games were good and which ones sucked, so It was beneficial to me. I bought the games I wanted and have yet to find the rest.

I thought the complete MAME romset (with harddrive-based games) was only around 18 GB. How do you manage to have 50 GB, then?
 

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Neon_Sonic said:
I thought the complete MAME romset (with harddrive-based games) was only around 18 GB. How do you manage to have 50 GB, then?

Maybe he has them both Packed and Unpacked in one DIR to boost size... lol
 

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I hate romz and the whores who use them :envy:
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