Bush really can't answer a question
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jethrek said:
As much as it's hard with me to agree with you on political stuff this is one time I do. GWB's problem is he gets too emotional, then while trying to keep his cool and not go off on Kerry he starts stutterring and getting mixed up.
*Kerry has always been the more silver tongued "Speaker" of the two though so that comes as no surprise. I watched most of it but finally said Meh towards the end of it, they basically rehashed and slung the same shit we've been reading/hearing about for months now, and everyone's already picked their side of choice. Anyhow this is one time I agree with you on something, GWB just needs speech classes.
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Bush actually did a better job of speaking than I've ever seen. Though the Russian question didn't really get answered. Interesting debate.
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Mercenary X99 said:
I couldn't agree more. The vast majority of what both said we've seen before either in their advertisements or soundbytes from various speeches. I thought it was more pronounced in Bush though, simply because of his speaking style. His repeated statements are generally shorter and more apt to be repeated verbatum each time because they're so much less verbose.
I thought that Kerry edged out Bush in terms of speaking to issues, but neither seemed to deviate too far from their respective attack campaigns. All in all, I'm hoping the VP debate next week will be better.
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Mercenary X99 said:
Anyone notice how Bush stumbled on that word Nuclear Proliferation? Bush was so uptight and nervous while Kerry was speaking with confidence. Kerry did his homework before this debate and it is seriously showing.
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If you don't mind an outside opinion, I though Kerry was quite short on delivering a killer blow. He is undoubtedly a stronger public speaker, but content wise, it was all pretty uninspired and weak stuff.
Bush is most probably unable to talk about issues here discussed without swearing - he was unable to speak freely if you will. I'm sure his use of language differs greatly behind closed doors, Kerry not so much on the other hand.
Overall it was weak.
Kerry did have the aces but Bush isn't dumb - that's a huge misconception. Kerry comes off as smoother and is clearer when he talks, Bush muddles everything he sais and fails to have the comebacks Kerry does, but something about his presentation works. It just does, and he won't have lost much with this presentation.
Now for the spin.
Bush is most probably unable to talk about issues here discussed without swearing - he was unable to speak freely if you will. I'm sure his use of language differs greatly behind closed doors, Kerry not so much on the other hand.
Overall it was weak.
Kerry did have the aces but Bush isn't dumb - that's a huge misconception. Kerry comes off as smoother and is clearer when he talks, Bush muddles everything he sais and fails to have the comebacks Kerry does, but something about his presentation works. It just does, and he won't have lost much with this presentation.
Now for the spin.
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Kerry was poised and stern with his answers. He answered up to the 'flip flop' charges. (Mentioned on channel 4, reference it if need be)
Bush would consistently use that one charge as his attack on Kerry. He answered things better then at the recent press conference, but he needs to find a better way to express his views. This is why Kerry won tonight. He laid out his views and explained his plan in good detail to what he wanted to do. He is a good speaker who leaves you feeling like we can fix this giant mess, though it will take a LONG time. Regardless of who wins, this is the issue.
Bush:
You cannot answer things so generally, he needs to be specific, he needs to address a GOOD plan for north Korea's weapons. He needs to stop going off of his feelings and look into things at the max extent that he and his intelligence can. You cannot lead a war on feelings, especially when many of which are religious instincts which then lead to a personal jihad. You need someone who uses the tools given to them to work for the good of the country, without so much personal moral opinion and limitations.
We've not only started a war that has no resolve, we've made our enemies friends in the process.
There is no reason to hate Kerry for his feelings on viet nam, I was proud to hear him back his earlier actions with ZERO regret. Not only did he address this, he brought it to his advantage by bringing it up.
Bush would consistently use that one charge as his attack on Kerry. He answered things better then at the recent press conference, but he needs to find a better way to express his views. This is why Kerry won tonight. He laid out his views and explained his plan in good detail to what he wanted to do. He is a good speaker who leaves you feeling like we can fix this giant mess, though it will take a LONG time. Regardless of who wins, this is the issue.
Bush:
You cannot answer things so generally, he needs to be specific, he needs to address a GOOD plan for north Korea's weapons. He needs to stop going off of his feelings and look into things at the max extent that he and his intelligence can. You cannot lead a war on feelings, especially when many of which are religious instincts which then lead to a personal jihad. You need someone who uses the tools given to them to work for the good of the country, without so much personal moral opinion and limitations.
We've not only started a war that has no resolve, we've made our enemies friends in the process.
There is no reason to hate Kerry for his feelings on viet nam, I was proud to hear him back his earlier actions with ZERO regret. Not only did he address this, he brought it to his advantage by bringing it up.
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Kazuki Dash said:
*my post from the other debate thread
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Kazuki Dash said:
Very well stated. Bush repeated his charges to Kerry four times in a row. It seemed like and excuse to dodge a issue he had no answer for.
The problem is, is that he is SO nervous that he cannot get the words out of his mouth, he has a severe case of stage fear which only leads to him looking like hes hiding lies and he is afraid.
We do not need a person with any psychological issues in such a high position. I know I am picking at straws, but this position should be reserved for a stronger man thats not led by his own religious morality. This attitiude IMMEDIATELY interferes with reaction process.
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I must agree wholeheartedly. Kerry has NOTHING to be ashamed of, seeing as history backs up Kerry's post Vietnam actions.
I'll respect both candidates for basically thumbing their noses at the deliberate attack questiont hat was laid in there, we've heard too few issues, too many attacks, why invite the candidates to waste debate time on character assassination?
Kerry came out with flying colors, which was nice to see.
I couldn't stand to watch it since both were so canned in what I was exactly expecting them to say.
So I went and played CvS2.
Of course the most important thing about these debates comes out tommorrow, if Kerry isn't ahead of GWB in the polls tommorrow, I think it means he's done for the election.
Just my gut feeling though.
So I went and played CvS2.
Of course the most important thing about these debates comes out tommorrow, if Kerry isn't ahead of GWB in the polls tommorrow, I think it means he's done for the election.
Just my gut feeling though.
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Lord Wolfgang Krauser said:
I was really interested in how this debate was going to go mainly because up till this point I had not witnessed anything from Kerry that clearly stated his policies or his stances on many important issues...while I was no fan of Bush's track record to this point, I was still waiting for him to stop being a mystery and really elaborate on what his plans were and how he would be better in office than Bush...his performance in tonight's debate did all that and then some for me...
